In this conversation, activist Ahmed Ziauddin and Nizamul Hoque Nasim discuss the appointment of a new Home Minister who turns out to be the contact-man for the Tribunal and a choice for the activist and partisan International Crimes Strategy Forum, set up by Ziauddin. He also says that the newly appointed Information Minister should be used for propagating in favour of war crimes trial. He further condemns the leaders and lawyers of Awami League and termed them as worthless. He expressed his satisfaction for the changes occurring in the government in his favour.